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  • May 9, 2007 at 6:48 am #771

    Rightio, where do I start. Ok, I suck at chins… bad. I can only do 3 sets at 4-6 reps. I can’t understand why I can’t do these πŸ˜• ? Push ups are another area where I fall a bit short also, 40 in one hit.

    As I train for fighting I need good core strength and things like pushing and lifting your own body weight are a big thing, because if you find it hard to lift your own imagine trying to lift someones elses also 😯 !

    What I need to know is how to master these exercises. Do I just focus on them and practise makes perfect or am I too long and heavy?

    I’m 6’2″, 103kgs if that helps.

    PS it pisses me off when I see guy’s smaller than me that I can smash on any other exercise strap on 20kgs and punch out 3 sets of 10 – 12 reps 😑 .

    May 9, 2007 at 7:53 am #4325

    Yeh well most guys are a work in progress when it comes to pullups. It figures those skinny guys who can just rip off a shitload with added weight, have no body fat either – right.

    I would say that cable chins & pullups of all kinds are a good place to start. As long as you can add any amount of free weight to the cable machine, that way you can get down to the real weight you can work with, to make increases.

    Personally, I am specialising at the moment – using behind the neck cable pulldowns extra wide grip & pronated, to try to get to the bottom of the conundrum over real pullups on a bar. DA

    May 9, 2007 at 11:06 am #4326

    DA the machines you speak of are great and I have used them at another gym I used to go to but unfortunately they don’t have one at my new gym πŸ˜₯ . Behind the neck pulldowns hey? You reckon that’ll strengthen the movemnet?

    And yes they are mostly skinny guys. Should this make a difference? Halesy (Ian) is a big guy and he does 3 sets of 12 chins 😯

    May 9, 2007 at 11:06 am #4327

    wots wrong with bentover rows? how much do u lift on these?

    May 9, 2007 at 11:11 am #4328

    About 3 sets of 10 at 110kgs. I could go more but I like to keep really strict form with anything that involves me bending my back. Apart from that though this exercise targets a different area. All my compounds are at a level I’m happy with considering the amount of time I have to train these days.

    This is why it’s got me beat?

    May 9, 2007 at 9:30 pm #4329

    Bands (like the ironwoodies Myopure used to sell) are great for pull ups and chins if you’re struggling to get the reps.

    Just loop one or two round the chinning bar, put your feet in the stirrups and start cranking them out.

    Theres also a technique that Pavel (I think) recommends called ladders (I think again). Something like do a rep, rest, do two reps, rest, do three reps, rest, etc till you reach your limit. Then you have a longer rest and start again. Do them 24/7 😈

    Prioritise chins. Do some at the beginning of every workout (vary the grip or rep range by adding weight, do singles if necessary) or better still do a set at the beginning and a set at the end. Avoid going to failure, aim to launch your body into space every rep and stop just before that rep when you look like a fish on a hook.

    If you’re rowing that workout, make sure you do your chins/pullups first.

    J

    Here’s a link I googled for Pavels ladders

    http://www.cbass.com/Pavel’sLadders.htm (you’ll need to cut and paste, cause some clown put the single quote in their url!)

    May 9, 2007 at 11:55 pm #4330

    @kinmassive wrote:

    Behind the neck pulldowns hey? You reckon that’ll strengthen the movement?

    And yes they are mostly skinny guys. Should this make a difference? Halesy (Ian) is a big guy and he does 3 sets of 12 chins 😯

    Behind the necks are just another angle to work on, youll find they allow arching of the back/lats area, which must be beneficial – right.

    Having no bodyfat, would save a person lugging that extra 5/10kg up and down – and expecting to add weight – say 10-20kg as well. Seems to me the bodies balance of muscle serves the body – but without the extra bodyfat being included.

    But Ian has achieved that mesomorph/giant state we would all like. I know another shortish giant guy who is the same – seems to go forever on pullups. DA

    May 10, 2007 at 7:41 am #4331

    Damn you Ian 😈

    Oh and by the way, are you sayin’ I’m fat DA? πŸ˜† I’ll start calling that waambulance soon.

    May 10, 2007 at 7:51 am #4332
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    I tried both ways and I got nothing brother??? The links that is. πŸ˜‰

    I’ll never work this “quote” thing out. πŸ™„

    May 10, 2007 at 8:02 am #4333

    cut and paste the following line to your browser.

    cbass.com/Pavel’sLadders.htm

    May 10, 2007 at 9:05 am #4334

    I think ure losing your touch Dr J?? πŸ˜‰ I got nuttin’.

    Sorry…got it. πŸ™„

    May 21, 2007 at 11:55 pm #4335

    I’m struggling at the moment if that helps πŸ™‚ My little one is waking up twice in the night…I’m buggered πŸ˜₯

    June 7, 2007 at 2:18 am #4336

    force ur body into it.

    June 7, 2007 at 10:36 am #4337

    i changed to HIT training, 1 set per exercise. cant see how i could go stale with chins in gaining atleast 1 extra rep a week

    September 19, 2007 at 11:17 pm #4338

    @kinmassive wrote:

    Rightio, where do I start. Ok, I suck at chins… bad. I can only do 3 sets at 4-6 reps. I can’t understand why I can’t do these πŸ˜• ? Push ups are another area where I fall a bit short also, 40 in one hit.

    As I train for fighting I need good core strength and things like pushing and lifting your own body weight are a big thing, because if you find it hard to lift your own imagine trying to lift someones elses also 😯 !

    What I need to know is how to master these exercises. Do I just focus on them and practise makes perfect or am I too long and heavy?

    I’m 6’2″, 103kgs if that helps.

    PS it pisses me off when I see guy’s smaller than me that I can smash on any other exercise strap on 20kgs and punch out 3 sets of 10 – 12 reps 😑 .

    Kinmassive,
    I read an article by Athur Jones where he was training a NFL player to get more reps at chinning. ( He could barely lift his own bodyweight )He had the guy stand on a bench with the bar at chin height and concentrate on the negative portion of the rep, slowly lowering himself down( like 30 seconds slow ) then repeating until he was spent.
    It worked for him.

    When you say “fighting” do you mean grappling, wrestling or what?
    I think speed and endurance and having the moves are far more important than outright strength, otherwise Tank Abbot would have been the best fighter in the UFC
    πŸ˜‰

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