October 9, 2007 at 7:13 am #852
The supplement companys have been pushing their nitric oxide products for a while now and today it emerges in the news that donated blood can cause bad things to happen to the paitent because the transfused blood has lost its nitric oxide content.
If I understand it correctly, nitric oxide helps transfer oxygen to red blood cells.
So, anybody tried it? ( the supplement, not the blood 😆 )October 9, 2007 at 8:42 am #5247
Briefly. NO2 by pinnacle about 3 years ago. Did nothing for me to be honest but in all fairness it usually takes me about 2 bottles of anything and a little more than the reccomended amount to get the effects of any of the natural supps. I only had one bottle and the reccomended amount.October 10, 2007 at 12:50 am #5248
yeah theres heaps of research to prove blood transfusions do more harm then good.
Everyones blood is DNA specific, you cant go putting someone elses into there body. Yes it may save lifes on the emergency table, but the long term affects of blood transfused can still cause infection, complications and death.
Sorry no references, I’ve watched a few docos on it. Alot of europe is now doing bloodless surgery, pretty amazing stuff, with great success.October 10, 2007 at 10:29 am #5249
Thats why you extract your own blood during training and harvest the red bloods cells then reinfuse them before competition if you are a cyclist and NOT anyone elses.
NO2 is supposed to cause vasodilation (increase size of blood vessels) which in turn should increase blood available to the muscles but it has been proven to suck ass and not work like expected to.
In short oxygen transfer works like this.
You store oxygen in haemaglobin (HG) and a small amount is free in the blood. The HG gets oxygen from your lungs which works on a gradient (more oxygen present in lungs while less in the blood means it transfers to the blood) now the more HG you have means the more oxygen you can store in the blood (reason for blood doping in sport) now from what I (may be wrong) know NO2 does nothing to help this process it is supposed to do what I have stated in the above paragraph. To get more oxygen in the blood you need more HG.
To transfer the oxygen from your blood to the muscle this requires another gradient (the free oxygen in your blood transfers over to the myoglobin in the muscle and the free oxygen in the blood is then replenished via the HG losing its oxygen).
So as you can see more HG in the blood means more oxygen will transfer because of a greater oxygen reserve, but if you also increase the amount of blood available through increasing the blood vessel size you will have more total oxygen getting to the muscles in the same time.
I hope that helped, if it made any sense at all.
Oxygen content to the muscles is not so important as nutrient delivery for strength training recovery though.October 11, 2007 at 1:10 am #5250
i remember reading something about viagra having an effect on NO production.October 11, 2007 at 8:47 am #5251
i remember reading something about viagra having an effect on NO production.
also has strong effect on your pee pee 😆October 12, 2007 at 3:09 am #5252
tell me more unbuff…. 🙂October 13, 2007 at 8:06 am #5253
Dave: I know a cyclist who does triathlons, a problem does occur when u harvest your own blood cells and reinject them, i dont know the technicalities of it, but there were problems using your “old blood” and reinjecting it after a certain amount of time, which affected the immune system and other stuff (cant think of it, the convo was some time ago now)
though the more i read about blood transfusions the more i realise its such a outdated and dangwerous practise. I dont understand why they still push for it, its almost unethical
*edit* Sorry, that last paragraph i should put down “IMO”. Yet, its many other surgeons’ opinion aswell….October 30, 2007 at 3:35 am #5254
yeh injecting your own blood is dangerous too i was just saying it is a lot less dangerous than using others. Bad practice besides the whole cheating part.October 30, 2007 at 1:14 pm #5255
so i guess the lesson to be learned is don’t go injecting your own or someones else’s blood 😆